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paul meacham |
maria eliana |
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Does any one have or know where I could find the tab for the classic spanish song maria eliana. I have a cd by the "los indios tabaharas guitiriast" and that song is so haunting that before I die of old age and all crippled up and caint play any more, I must learn to play that music.
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Los Indios Tabajaras | ||
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You realize that that's 2 guitarists, right? I only ask because the way your question was posed makes it look like you are referring to 1 guitarist. Anyway, I like that song, too. No, I don't have the tab, but I bet we could work it out. Not in fingerstyle though, unless it were altered tuning. I can see
can envision a jazz version. Mess around with it, see what key it lends itself best to. I'l do the same and check back with you. Oh, and good luck getting the sustain out of your guitar that that lead player gets out of his. He must have been recording into a reverb chamber. |
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Los Indios Tabajaras | ||
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In regard to trying to get sustain out of the guitar like what you heard in that particular recording by Los Indios Tabajaras--no that wasn't in any sort of reverb chamber as you suspect; it was the guitar they used, particularly Nato Lima the lead guitarist. It was a Brazilian made "Del Vecchio" guitar. It is a very unusual looking guitar--like a cross between a Dobro and a classical guitar! It is a true resophonic guitar, with a single cone type resonator like a National, mounted inside a "lip" underneath the wooden coverplate which has fabric covered portholes! You can see this guitar on maybe a couple of Chet Atkins' lp covers, most notably "My Favorite Guitars" on RCA. The Del Vecchio uses silk and steel strings, has a classical width fingerboard and is 12 frets clear of the body also like a classical guitar. The body is Brazilian rosewood veneer, and has a very beautiful grain. The headstock is slotted. It is a lightly constructed instrument-not as well made as american acoustics, nor even Spanish made classics, but they have a sound like no other guitar! I own one I'd bought in Brazil in 1975 and I'm friends with Nato Lima of Los Indios Tabajaras. He played mine and commented that it was one of the best sounding Del Vecchios he ever played. In 1975 I paid all of $75 right in the "Casa Del Vecchio" music store in downtown Sao Paulo--and had the chance to try 5 or 6 of them before settling on the best sounding one. I still have it. I don't know if they're made as well, today. As I understand, they're pretty hard to come by, at least a good one. In closing, I hope I answered your question to your satisfaction. Regards, Bill Turner
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Paul Kucharski |
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One way to get one of these instruments in the U.S. is to have one made by Paul McGill. He follows the design of the Del Vecchio and his are very high quality.
Paul McGill's Del Vecchio Resonator I'd love to have one myself, but I think he's charging over $6,000 these days because it takes him so long to make one. |
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do you guys have tabs for their songs | ||
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If you can provide a link for where to get their songbook, it will be great.
thanks. |
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Unregistered(d) |
Re: Maria Elena | ||
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Although they recorded several versions of "Maria Elena", I have not heard one where Nato plays the Del Vecchio (If one exists, I'd love to have it). I am not familiar with the classic guitars used by Los Indios, but they did have a signature model which I believe was made by Del Vecchio. Clearly, most of the recordings they made using nylon string classics had echo or reverb qualities. Whether the effect was added in the studio electronically or another method was used, I don't know.
Another reason their music sounds "mysterious" or "haunting" is their extensive use of alternate tunings...which makes it difficult to figure out what they are doing by ear. One of the albums (mine are in storage right now) lists the tunings they use for the songs.....and the lead and ryhthm don't necessarily use the same tunings on the same song! BTW, I have a 1975 Dinamico which has been extensively reworked to improve intonation and tone and playability. I have seen a version of Maria Elena on one of the fingerstyle sites in Tabledit format, and it is written in standard tuning, but it just doesn't sound the same. |
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Unregistered(d) |
Re: Maria Elena | ||
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Clarification of previous post
I meant to say that I'm not aware of a version of Maria Elena recorded by Los Indios Tabajaras wherein Nato used a Del Vecchio resonator guitar. Having listened to their music for some 35 years, coupled with the fact that I have a Del Vecchio Dinamico (resonator guitar) and several classicals, it is easy for me to determine whether Nato is playing a nylon string or a DV resonator. And again, I do not have a version of the tune which is played by Nato using the resonator guitar. . Here's another variable to throw into the formula. The DV resonator guitar was designed to use either silk & steel OR nylon strings.....and you'd be surprised how good they can sound with nylon strings. Also, some of them had pickups! And last..... I read somewhere that Maria Elena was first recorded by Jimmy Dorsey.........way back when. No matter what its source, Los Indios Tabajaras made it a GREAT song! Good luck on figuring it out! |
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nato lima | ||
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It's very nice to talk about how Nato Lima got his sound, what guitar he used etc. but the hard truth is that his sound, like anyone's, comes out of HIM. And he had the some of the best tone ever, back before all the gizmos were available. All the fine instruments in the world will not help a person without talent and the willingness to do the work.
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Los Indios Tabajaras | ||
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I have an album where they show the tuning of the two guitars. One is set 1/2 note higher and the other is set 1/2 note lower than standard tuning.
Most of Nato's music is held by Peer Music in New York but they will not put out a book even though there are about 62 arrangements and compositions in the collection. I know of a few people who would love to get their hands on such a collection, myself included. There was one book put out in the early 70's which might have the Maria Elena arrangement but it does not necessarily provide the music as it is played. |
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Nato's Guitar | ||
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Nato's Guitar; (Tuning)
Maria Elena 1 G# 2 D# 3 B 4 F# 5 C# 6 G# Stardust 1 F# 2 C# 3 A 4 E 5 B 6 F# |
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Bob Wolford |
Re: Maria Elena | ||
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Paul, I have a vesion of Maria Elena for 2 guitars in TablEdit format. If you send me your e-mail I'll send it to you.
Bob bobwolford@msn.com |
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